take mitt romney, for example. he lowered taxes the hard- working -- he pays lower taxes than hard working and middle income families. why is this the case? there are these loopholes that folks that are powerful to have their legion of lobbyists get written into the tax code. it is unfair. i do not think the tax season is during the greenbaay packers season. >> let's hope their plan in the super bowl. [laughter] >> i'm listening to each of you and hearing you say you did not want to raise taxes. is that accurate? >> i did not want to raise taxes. what to cut the programs by 5% across the board and give the secretaries the power to reorganize and eliminate programs. we get a grand deal so we can do it, i did simpson bowles has to be on the table. and what my plan on the table and sit down on a bipartisan basis. 60 votes will do it. you have to have some compromise. i'm going to washington to solve the problems, not delay them. a month to fix the problem, fix america to my children and grandchildren can inherit a cou